PTSD and the Six Principles of Naturopathic Medicine

Join Radley Ramdhan, ND, MsAc, former Specialist in the United States Army Corp of Engineers, New York Army National Guard for an informative session on naturopathic approaches to PTSD. Hear about his firsthand journey as a doctor and veteran in navigating traumatic issues with patients.

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About the Presenter

Radley Ramdhan, ND, MsAc completed his Bachelor of Science in Biology at Barry University in Miami, Florida. He earned his Master of Science in Acupuncture and Doctorate in Naturopathic Medicine from the University of Bridgeport School of Naturopathic Medicine (UBSNM) in Bridgeport, Connecticut. While pursuing his studies, he served as a Specialist in the United States Army Corp of Engineers, New York Army National Guard for six years. It was through his military experience that he developed a special interest in working with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) patients, and as a result completed his thesis on understanding and treating PTSD using a naturopathic approach. Dr. Radley served one deployment in support of Operation Inherent Resolve in Kuwait and Iraq.

He has co-authored two articles published by Naturopathic Doctor News and Review :

PTSD: Using a Naturopathic Approach to Understand & Treat the Disorder
Traumatic Brain Injury: Clinical Applications & Plausible Interventions

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Dr. JoAnn Yanez on KCAA 05/08/19

Dr. JoAnn Yanez, AANMC executive director, joins KCAA’s NBC LA affiliate On the Brink to discuss spring-cleaning and de-cluttering your mental health.
 

Full Transcript of Interview Below.

Topics Include:

  • De-cluttering your mental health
  • Finding what works for you
  • Prioritizing tasks and asking for help when needed
  • Mental health statistics
  • Mental health stigmas
  • Expectations versus reality
  • And more…

Erin Brinker: Welcome back. I’m Erin Brinker.

Tobin Brinker: And I’m Tobin Brinker.

Erin Brinker: And we are On the Brink, the morning show on KCAA, AM 1050, FM 106.5, and FM 102.3. I’m so excited to welcome back to the show, Dr. JoAnn Yanez. She is the Executive Director of the Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges and the Chair of the Academic Collaborative for Integrative Health. She also serves on the Integrative Health Policy Consortium Education Committee. Weaving a passion for illness prevention into her professional life, Dr. Yanez’s career has spanned advocacy, academia, patient care, and public health. As AANMC Executive Director, Dr. Yanez oversees research, advocacy efforts, and the joint academic endeavors of the accredited colleges of naturopathic medicine. Dr. Yanez, welcome back to the show.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Oh, thank you so much! Hope you guys are well.

Erin Brinker: We hope you are well, too. It’s so beautiful outside. It’s just … you know, the weather where you just want to be outdoors. And it’s been very, very rainy. You know, this winter. So, the spring is much appreciated.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Yes, agreed. It’s really amazing how getting outside can make an impact in your mental health and in your health in general. And I think that’s what we were talking about today, right?

Erin Brinker: Absolutely. Absolutely. So, you know, everybody has seen or at least heard about Marie Kondo’s show about kind of spring-cleaning your house. Cleaning out closets and that sort of thing. And all of that really does impact your health, doesn’t it?

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: So, you know, it’s really funny. Folks will talk about the impact of clutter, you know, all the excess stuff that we accumulate through the course of our lifetime. And what that does to your mental health. I know personally for me, when my house is not organized, when it’s a disaster, it’s harder for me to concentrate. It’s harder to think straight. Even though cleaning is not the most fun thing in the world, you know, there is satisfaction in knowing that your space is organized. And I think that’s why so many folks have caught on to this one way of organizing. But I think it’s also important to think about the mental clutter. As a working mom myself, I think of all of the things that occupy my brain space. And how do you de-clutter, not only your personal space, but how do you de-clutter your thoughts? And by doing both of those, that definitely can have an impact in your mental health and in your stress level.

Erin Brinker: So, I have … and I’ve gone through periods of time where I do this, but I recently started really journaling. And it really does clear the cobwebs out of … you know, things that I’m kind of obsessing about. And I don’t really like that word. But it kind of describes things that are swirling around my head that I want to get rid of. And I find that when I write them down in a journal, then it clears all of that out. It’s like taking a Swiffer to the cobwebs.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: It really is. And you know, I think that journaling … There are so many different tools out there to help you kind of manage those cobwebs. But, you know, journaling is one of them. Social support has been well documented to help people manage their stress. So, talking with a friend or a counselor, if that’s more helpful. I think all of those types of ways of having some sort of a release. For me, personally, it’s lists. Even if I don’t necessarily cross off everything on the list, it’s just knowing that I have everything down on paper that needs to happen so it doesn’t have to occupy the mental space of, “Oh, I’m going to forget this,” or, “Oh, I have to remember to do this.” Just putting it down. My calendar’s my bible. You know, I’ve got a calendar that’s chock-full of everything that I need to do, everywhere I need to be, everything I need to think of. Having that level of organization. I think more importantly, Erin, it’s finding the organization that works for you. For some people it’s writing down a handwritten list. Some people it’s a web app or tracker to help you stay organized. If the organizational tool becomes more stressful, then ditch it.

Erin Brinker: Absolutely. One more thing you have got to do is organize. So, I remember when I was very early in my career, I took a Stephen Covey class. You know, they had the Franklin planners, this was before people had the smartphones.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Oh, gosh.

Erin Brinker: And, you know, I found it so helpful as a way to kind of think about organizing your day. And I’ve thought recently that, “Well, maybe I need to take another one of those courses.” Because there’s a … obviously I don’t use a Franklin planner anymore, but you know, that maybe there are new ways to organize that would make life easier.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Well, there are. And you know, I think, again though, there are so many tools on cell phones, you can set reminders, you can have … You know, on my calendar, I have reminders that go off. They get sent to my email box and I get a little ping on my cell phone.  And that’s how I remember that, you know, Monday is spirit shirt day at my son’s school or, you know … All the random things that happen … you know, bring cans on Friday to school. In addition to work, all the extra stuff that would normally be like, “Oh, gosh, I’ve got to remember to, you know, to do this or to do that.” Or, “This is one extra thing.” Again, it’s having the organizational tools that work for you. I have found my system and I stick with it. And mayhem ensues when I don’t.

Erin Brinker: By the way, when your son hits middle school, you are going to find out about those special days about half an hour before he has to be at school.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Yes.

Erin Brinker: Oh, we were supposed to bring, you know, 150 cookies. Really?

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Fabulous! But anyway, I think the spring-cleaning piece really does fit in to more of, “What are the things that clutter your mind? That stress you out?” And you know, if you … If having a messy kitchen doesn’t stress you out, then don’t worry about it. For me, it does. So, you know, I think it’s really what are the things that are stressing you out that are kind of leading to that, those little … you know, the little pins in the pin cushion? Like what are those little things that ultimately will add up? And if you can clear those out and kind of get those out of the way, then yes, it absolutely can help with mental health and with your overall stress levels. So, it’s really just knowing yourself and knowing what’s important, prioritizing the things that will help you feel better. And you know, and making that a regular part of your life.

Erin Brinker: So, one of the things that I hate doing is filing. I hate filing. And most of my … I generally don’t like paper. I want everything electronic. Because then it’s really easy for me to file. But like physically taking paper and putting in files, I hate that. Is there anything wrong with hiring people to do that for you?

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: There is absolutely nothing … if you have the means to do so. You know, I had a very smart mentor years ago who basically said, “Hire out the things you don’t like to do.” Because you will spend more time thinking about it, obsessing about it, stressing about it, than the $20+ you could have paid somebody to have gone and filed your stuff for an hour.  No, I definitely think that if you have the means or if you can, find a way without the means to enlist some help or have somebody there for moral support, that’s … The filing is one of my things, and so is when I’ve had to move, packing. For whatever reason I have this mental block on packing. And it stresses me to no end. And so, what I’ve found is if I can have music and some friends and make it fun that it goes by more quickly, it becomes less of that burden. And, you know, so I think again, asking for help is something that a lot of us don’t always do well. And whether that’s paid help or it’s a friend or whatever, asking for help and knowing when you need help is very important. And I think that’s one of the big messages in all of the mental health. If you look at Psychology Today or you look at any of the National Association of Mental Health and all of that, it’s all about knowing yourself, they have helpful self-assessment tools. And knowing when to ask for help. Knowing when you need professional help, knowing when you need a friend, or a spouse, or a partner, or family. And getting the help when you need it. And I think that’s the biggest piece. One out of five Americans struggles with some sort of mental health issue. And worldwide, the numbers are even one out of four. This is not something people … and we’ve talked about this before, have stigma about asking for help or saying they are said or saying they are anxious or angry or depressed. And we really should start to take that stigma away from people and make it safe to talk about things that are upsetting to you.

Erin Brinker: You know, it’s … I think that when expectations crash in to reality, it’s a tremendous … it’s a source of tremendous stress. And, you know, as you said, if you … having a messy kitchen doesn’t bother you, then don’t worry about it. And this idea that we have to have … everything has to be perfect and everything has to be just so. And that in itself causes us … can cause people significant mental anguish. And give yourself a break, cut yourself some slack, seems to be a really positive message.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Yes, you know, I think that striving for perfection and, you know, my husband will say, he would rat me out right now if he heard me talking about perfection. But you know, I think the striving for perfection and that extra pressure that you put on yourself, undue pressure. You know, I’ve heard folks talking, “Oh, well, you know, my house isn’t really ready yet. I don’t want to have people over.” I’m like, “Please. I don’t care what your house looks like.” Like don’t worry if your baseboards aren’t up or you haven’t finished your kitchen yet. I don’t care. You know. And frankly, anybody who will care shouldn’t be coming to your house.

Erin Brinker: Indeed. Indeed. Absolutely. So, is there any news on the naturopathic medical college front? Anything going on that you want to let the public know about?

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Oh, gosh. There’s so much news. We have two states that have recently newly regulated naturopathic doctors – Idaho and New Mexico. The AANMC residency process has just finished up a cycle. We have our monthly free webinar series. I am actually getting ready to rehearse with the Naturopathic Medical Student Association president for his upcoming webinar on tips and tricks from a current ND student in a couple weeks.

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How Do YOU Take Care of Your Mental Health?

With the hustle and bustle of the 24/7 news cycle, family, and work/school responsibilities seemingly adding more to our to-do lists than there are hours in the day – we thought we would compile some of AANMC’s favorite ways to recharge and unplug from day-to-day stresses.

Laugh

Laughter is medicine, so let yourself enjoy a good belly laugh! Get together with friends and family, go to a comedy show, or simply watch a silly show…whatever tickles your funny bone!

Exercise

Move that body! Walk, dance, play a team sport, swim. The ‘what’ doesn’t matter as much as long as you are making it happen. Shoot for at least 30 minutes daily.

Meditate

People often associate meditation with a long and intricate process. It can be as easy as practicing clearing your mind of active thoughts before bed. Letting whatever does come to mind quietly float away. It doesn’t need to be complicated. Start out small and work your way up.

Unplug

Literally. If you are constantly tethered to a mobile device or screen, free yourself by spending some time away and ‘off–the-grid.’ Try to do this for 1-2 hours before bed at a minimum, and if you can – schedule a weekend a month and a week a year, completely tech free!

Spend Time in Nature

Don’t have time to enjoy nature every day? Bring the outside, in. Open a window or try to work where you can see the beauty of your natural surroundings. Invest in a houseplant. Grow window herbs. And when you can, and as often as you can, make an effort to walk, hike, play, or swim to realign yourself with nature.

Socialize

When was the last time you had a heart to heart with a loved one? Are your personal relationships filling or emptying your cup? If more are emptying – then it may be time to reassess who you allow in your sacred circle of friends. Social support is a vital component in the ability to adapt to stressors. Make sure you take time to nurture your relationships.

Spend Time with Pets

Pets are often responsible for filling their owner’s heart with love, but studies have also demonstrated that pet ownership can positively impact your overall health.

Get Organized

Sometimes being a little proactive and cleaning your space or organizing the day can help minimize the stress that comes with clutter of both your mind and surroundings. While cleaning may not be everyone’s favorite activity – there is a good amount of satisfaction that comes with a tidy and organized space. Pencil it in on the calendar if you have trouble making it a regular habit.

Sleep

How long has it been since you slept like a baby? Sleep is an important factor in supporting overall balanced mental, emotional, and physical health. Getting too few hours of sleep can contribute to any number of health crises. Practicing good sleep hygiene can get you back to catching those restful Zzzzs.

Eat Well

The foods we eat on a daily basis can have important effects related to disease susceptibility, proper physical, mental, and intellectual development, inflammation and immunity. Whether these effects are taking us in a positive or a negative direction depends on the choices we make. Educate yourself on what you eat and get tasty recipes with The Naturopathic Kitchen.

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Mindfulness Meditation

At the root of naturopathic medicine is the ability to listen to and be in tune with your body to allow it to reach its optimal state. There is an increasing body of scientific evidence supporting gratitude, resilience and positivity on long-term outcomes of illness and quality of life. Conditions like pain, anxiety and depression can all benefit from a whole-person, mind-body approach. One practice that can have a resounding impact on mental health and overall well-being is the art of being present through mindfulness. When we are fully present and in tune with our body, we can identify and correct an imbalance before it becomes a major issue.

What is Mindfulness?

Mindfulness is learned tool of self-awareness, self-care and empowerment that can be practiced anytime and anywhere. It is a non-judgmental, passive awareness of your present experience.

Why is Mindfulness so Powerful?

Mindfulness allows us to fully engage and focus on the opportunities in front of us. In doing so, we de-emphasize the ‘what ifs’ and revisiting the past, in the present moment. By embracing our power in the here and now, we minimize the stress that comes from worrying about the future or the past. Our focus on the present allows for better connection with our mind, body and environment.

6 Short Mindfulness Exercises

1) Two mindful bites – For the first two bites of any meal or snack you eat, pay attention to the sensory experiences – the texture, taste, smell and appearance of food and the sounds it makes. This practice is also helpful to raise awareness of eating on the go or emotional food behaviors.

2) What one breath feels like – Feel the sensations from one breath flowing into and out from your body. Notice how the air feels in your nostrils, your shoulders, your rib cage, your belly and connect with your breath to ground yourself.

3) Take a mindful moment to give your brain a break – Instead of checking your email or social media in the five minutes between meetings or commitments, try looking out your window and focusing on nature. Use mindfulness to give your brain a break rather than filling up every tiny space in your day by automatically reaching for technology.

4) Air on exposed skin – Pay attention to the feeling of air on your skin for 10-60 seconds. This is best done when wearing short sleeves or with some skin exposed. Why: You’re practicing being in experiential processing mode (as opposed to evaluative “judging” mode, which is our default).

5) Scan your body – This can be done in bed before going to sleep – and can even aid in relaxation for a better night’s rest. Start by getting in a comfortable and relaxed position. Slowly scan your body from head to toe for any sensations of discomfort or tension. Attempt to soften the sensations of discomfort without judgment on why the tension is there, or if you are successful in doing so. Next, scan your body for areas of comfort and ease. Practice gratitude for each of the areas you scan.

6) Do one action mindfully – Pick something you do at the same time every day and plan to do that one thing mindfully. For example, putting on clothes in the morning can be done, focusing on each component and how the clothes feel on your skin.

Mindfulness is like a muscle, the more you practice, the easier it gets.


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Dr. JoAnn Yanez on KCAA 10/10/18

Dr. JoAnn Yanez, AANMC executive director, joins KCAA’s NBC LA affiliate On the Brink to discuss fertility, pregnancy, infant loss and how naturopathic medicine can help you through each step of the pregnancy journey.

Full Transcript of Interview Below.

Topics Include:

  • The emotional cycle of pregnancy and infant loss
  • The importance of sensitivity and empathy
  • Naturopathic approaches to preconception fertility
  • Naturopathic approaches to post-conception
  • Libido as an indicator of overall health
  • And More…

Erin Brinker: Welcome back. I’m Erin Brinker.

Tobin Brinker: And I’m Tobin Brinker.

Erin Brinker: And we are On the Brink, the morning show on KCAA AM 1050 FM 106.5 and FM 102.3. October is National Pregnancy and Infant Loss Remembrance Day … Remembrance Month and the remembrance day is October 15th. We have with us to talk about this Dr. JoAnn Yanez. She is the executive director for the AANMC, that’s the Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges. She joins us once a month to talk about all issues regarding or around the subject of health.

Erin Brinker: Dr. Yanez, welcome back to the show.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Thank you. Good morning, both.

Erin Brinker: Good morning. I just learned through this prepping for today that there actually was an official pregnancy and infant loss remembrance day.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: This is a topic, obviously, it is and can be a sad one for some folks. I think that it’s a very important part of recognizing, last month we were talking about mental health, before that we were talking about fertility, I just think of this topic as one that a lot of people used to just never talk about, but it was a very personal and sensitive area for them, especially at that time of year when the pregnancy loss happened or if they were trying to get pregnant again. I think it just speaks to the fact that we just so do not know what shoes people are walking in.

Erin Brinker: No. And you know, this used to be, well, something that everybody experienced. Tobin was one of the first babies in the state of Kansas for … his mom used, was it rhogam?

Tobin Brinker: Yes.

Erin Brinker: Because the RH factor did not match. His mom is RH negative and Tobin is RH positive. He posted about that recently and he was surprised by the number of people who talked about losing multiple children because of that issue. It really shocked us to … we didn’t know.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: It is one of those things where if I poll, just even amongst my girlfriends, many of them have experienced pregnancy loss. The data really does show that may pregnancies are lost. Many of them will be lost early on in the first trimester, and that often has to do with viability of the pregnancy or something that occurs either with the fetus or on the mom’s side to make the pregnancy not be able to go full term. The body will just say, “Hey. This is a pregnancy that’s probably not going to work,” and that’s where the miscarriage happens. Many of them will occur in that first trimester. But as the pregnancy progresses, it can be … and even early on, it can be very traumatic for both parts of the couple because it’s something that you’re really, for many people, happy about, excited about. But recognizing that it is a natural part of the cycle, but it’s still very traumatic for many folks.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: I think, one of the things I see here in Tobin and have seen with patients is oftentimes when they’re trying to get pregnancy again or are pregnant again, the pregnancy loss will bring up a lot of emotion. It may bring up fear, it may bring up guilt, it may bring up a number of different feelings around this. I’m just thinking of myself recently, I had a pregnancy loss before my son was born. Just recently he asked me, “Mommy, did you ever have a baby in your belly before me?” And I actually said, “I did, sweetie.” I shared that with him and I wasn’t quite sure of his reaction, and he was actually sad. He said, “Oh. I could have had a brother or a sister.”

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: I think that it is important for families to process, it is important to understand the depth of how that impacts people as a physician, as folks going through, and what that means.

Erin Brinker: What’s interesting is that, especially if the baby is born … I mean, it passes before being born, sorry, excuse me, I have a frog in my throat, before being born, people are, “Well, just get over it, you can have another one,” or … but that life was a life, that life was a child. That life … you still mourn for the loss of that baby because as soon as you find out you’re pregnant, you start developing love and thoughts about that child, and you’ve maybe named the child. You may have put the nursery together, you may be … probably are making plans. The baby, whether the baby was born or not, you will still mourn when it dies.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Yeah. I think, again, just as in any death situation, i.e. grief situation, grief is individual, and you never know what someone’s going to experience. Some people process it one way, and they just understand it’s a part of nature and they may process it that way, other people may process it as a death. I’ve known a patient and friend who, every year on the anniversary of the passing, they are very emotional and sad and grief stricken.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: I think we can’t walk in other people’s shoes. We’ll never know exactly how they are going to process that situation or what that is going to feel for them. I think that’s the biggest thing.

Erin Brinker: Right.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: A lot of times when people die or when a grief situation happens, it’s common to say, “Oh, I understand what you’re going through,” or “I’m so sorry. I’ve been there.” Yes, you may have been there personally or you may have had something, but you never know what someone else’s emotional situation is-

Erin Brinker: Right.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: … And what that could mean for them. I think, again, just giving people a safe place to understand that it’s part of this … my passion of helping bring greater awareness for mental health issues and just sensitivity and empathy for the things that people go through, I think that’s the bigger picture here-

Erin Brinker: Right.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Is whether it’s a pregnancy loss or it’s a contemplation of suicide or it’s whatever it is, I think that the more kind we can be to people and the more of a safe place to be able to share and get help is really what we all should be striving for. We will be a better community and a better society for that.

Erin Brinker: When in doubt, be kind.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Bingo.

Erin Brinker: One of the things that … our infant mortality has improved in the United States dramatically, but it’s still not where we would like it to be. I think the key is, you need to, as soon as you find out you’re pregnant or to maybe just to verify the pregnancy is your first time meeting with your physician, you need to start preparing for that baby for your body, meaning you take your vitamins, you get the rest that you need, you eat well. Sometimes baby will just die despite all of that, but you want to give the baby the best chance, and your body, the best chance of having a healthy pregnancy.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: And, Erin, naturopathic doctors actually go a step further. We will start working with the couple, so both parties, on preconception fertility and getting the body as healthy before you start to conceive or start to try to conceive, if possible, sometimes it just happens and things are not always planned out. But if it is a planned pregnancy or plan trying to get pregnant, naturopathic doctors will actually work with both partners to get the bodies as healthy as possible. I know we talk a lot about the female, but it’s also important for male health and sperm motility and sperm health to work on nutrition and other issues as well there. Those are the types of things that, when you’re talking about naturopathic approach, it’s really and truly preventative. We’re working with the body to get the body as healthy prior to conception, and then work with the parents post-conception to create a healthy environment for thriving child, both during the pregnancy and after birth.

Erin Brinker: I keep hearing reports, I’ve heard lots of news stories, about the dramatically decrease sperm counts in American men versus-

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Yes.

Erin Brinker: … 50 years ago. Are naturopathic doctors working on that issue?

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: I think, again, we work with overall health. Our goal is a healthy patient overall, and as part of that, in Chinese medicine, in Asian medicine … how many times have you been to a doctor and they’ve asked about your libido?

Erin Brinker: Never.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: In a naturopathic visit, that is a very common question because it’s an indication of a lot of things. If you have enough energy and interest for sex and sexual pleasure, that says a good amount about your health status. That is one question that often will be asked in a naturopathic visit. You’ll get the side eye from patients like, “Wait. What did she ask me about?” But because it is an indicator of your energy, it’s an indicator of your relationship, and it’s an indicator of your sleep, and so many other things that if that is not fully there, that can be a sign that other things are going on. As part of the ND visit, that is something that will be asked about.

Erin Brinker: Wow. Well, as always, it’s a treat to have you on the air-

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Mind blown?

Erin Brinker: It really is. Well, I mean … the modern medicine, I say modern, for traditional … not traditional … with what we consider go to an MD and your HMO, you have your doctor looking at a screen, typing in, I’m sure they’re check boxes, as they’re asking you questions, there’s no … we’ve talked about this that they just ask, “Okay. Why are you sick, why are you here?”

Erin Brinker: Yeah. My mind’s blown a little bit. As always, it’s such a treat to have you with us. We so enjoy you coming on the air with us. Let everybody know how they can find you and follow you, and learn more about the Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Sure thing. We are on the interweb, AANMC.org, social media: LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, follow us. It is Naturopathic Medicine Week, this week-

Erin Brinker: Oh.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez:  … And so, we’re doing lots of fun stuff all week to support Naturopathic Medicine Week.

Erin Brinker: Oh, that’s great. So, they can go on the website and get all that information?

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Yes, ma’am.

Erin Brinker: All right. Well, Dr. JoAnn Yanez, as always, thank you so much for joining us. We look forward to-

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Thank you.

Erin Brinker: … Our next conversation.

Dr. JoAnn Yanez: Talk soon.

Erin Brinker: Talk to you soon.

Erin Brinker: All right. It’s time for a break. I’m Erin Brinker.

Tobin Brinker: And I’m Tobin Brinker.

Erin Brinker: And we are On the Brink, the morning show on KCAA, we’ll be right back.

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